A Staged Chemical Attack In Douma? A note on the evidence so far

This week has seen the release of interviews with doctors and children (here and here) who appeared in the video, widely circulated in the Western media, that showed a distressing scene in a clinic in Douma. In that scene, doctors were allegedly treating victims of a chemical attack. However, their own witness testimony now points to a staging of the scene.

But should we trust that testimony?

An article published yesterday in The Intercept (Robert Mackey, ‘Russia sows doubts over chemical attack in Syria, aided by pro-Trump cable channel’) states a meaningful challenge:

There was no way of knowing if any of the medical personnel who spoke to the reporters in the presence of government minders had been coerced into making those statements by threats from Assad’s secret police, the mukhabarat, to harm their families — as the head of the largest medical relief agency in Syria told The Guardian they were.

Certainly, the bona fides of the witnesses and their statements are quite properly a matter for rigorous evaluation. (In the case of young children, I am somewhat unsure exactly what tests of veracity are needed or ethically appropriate,[1] but I entirely accept the general principle of treating witness statements with due caution.)

The rest of Mackey’s article, however, pursues quite other themes. And since the loose construction of the article could allow a hasty reader an impression that its other material somehow challenges the witness evidence of staging at the clinic, I shall just point out that it does not.

In particular, what could be misleading to the unwary is the significance of this separate point made in The Intercept:[2]

Two enterprising reporters, Seth Doane of CBS News and Stefan Borg of TV4 Sweden, slipped away from their government minders and managed to find the building where the attack took place and interview a man who said he had survived the attack but lost his wife, mother, and brothers to gas.

We need to be clear that this refers to a different question, namely, what happened at a place where deaths occurred. It has no necessary connection to anything that living witnesses at the clinic have said. In fact, I believe, the onus would be on someone who wants to claim the two sets of evidence are linked to establish the link. (Incidentally, in assuming the veracity of the testimony from the man interviewed at the house, Mackey rather relaxes his earlier standards of rigorous scepticism, since he does not ask whether this witness may have had some inducement, whether what he says is entirely reliable, or whether he is even exactly who he is presented as being. However I shall set aside these questions too, and with all due respect to the bereaved.)

There is a simple point to make. The question of what caused the deaths of people found at a house, and the question of what caused the children to be inside the clinic at the time of filming, are two distinct questions. The truth of any statement related to one has no necessary bearing on the truth of any statement related to the other. The evidence from doctors and patients at the clinic does not eliminate the possibility of the use of chemicals elsewhere, by some as yet to be established party.[3] It does, however, tend to weigh in favour of the hypothesis that the scene at the clinic was staged.

Notes

[1] The article also suggests there could be reasons for questioning the veracity of the boy’s testimony. I make no objection to rigorously testing the veracity of the statement on the video, within ethical bounds. I do think there could be ethical objections to the suggestion, attributed by The Intercept to Maria Zakharova, the Russian foreign ministry’s spokesperson, ‘that the boy should be brought to the United Nations to testify.’ [Update: Having checked the attribution, I think Zakharova was simply making a rhetorical point about whose testimony would be worth hearing.]

[2] While not wishing to be rude, I do feel that much of the article is presented in rather prejudicial terms. When it comes to assessing credibility of evidence it makes reference, for instance, to ‘[u]nfounded conspiracy theories about the White Helmets, concocted by Syrian and Russian state media’, where the link to ‘conspiracy theories’ takes you to Bellingcat, itself a Western funded ‘think tank’ with a very clear information mission.

The article also mentions, darkly, ‘Sharp has not explained how he managed to convince the Syrian government to give him a visa to report in the country’. I don’t claim to know the answer, and don’t normally expect such information to be part of a report! But presumably Sharp got it in much the way that the other journalists, whose work the article cites, did. (In fact, I could name half a dozen friends there at the same time who had also managed it, including Alison Banfield and Mike Raddie from BSNews.)

[3] The Intercept piece cites a report from Associated Press, which includes this:

‘The AP visited a two-room underground shelter where Khaled Mahmoud Nuseir said 47 people were killed, including his pregnant wife and two daughters, 18-month-old Qamar and 2 1/2-year-old Nour. A strange smell lingered, nine days after the attack.

Nuseir, 25, said he ran from the shelter to a nearby clinic and fainted. After he was revived, he returned to the shelter and found his wife and daughters dead, with foam coming from their mouths.

He and two other residents accused the rebel Army of Islam of carrying out the attack. As they spoke, government troops were not far away but out of earshot. Nuseir said a gas cylinder was found leaking the poison gas, adding that he didn’t think it was dropped from the air because it still looked intact.

Separately, the AP spoke to a medic who was among those who later were evacuated to northern Syria. Ahmed Abed al-Nafaa said helicopters were flying before the attack and when he reached the site, people were screaming “chlorine.” He said he tried to enter the shelter but was overcome by a strong smell of chlorine and his comrades pulled him out.

The accounts contradict what the Syrian government and Russia have reported: that there was no gas attack in Douma.’

 

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5 Responses to A Staged Chemical Attack In Douma? A note on the evidence so far

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  2. dblackal says:

    YASER ALDOUMANI2 a prolific videographer published a number of gruesome YouTube videos around Apr 7, 2018, of the alleged gas attack. He presents a piece to camera, no gas mask and no protection, yet there could be gas lingering, if this was a real attack with a bomb that dropped through the roof, as alleged. He interferes with the crime scene with impunity, a room full of poor dead bodies supposedly killed from chlorine gas inhalation, but he is touching bodies and opening the eyelids of boys and babies. This suggests he is not in Douma, where the Syrian army controls the area, and the Russian chemical weapons inspectors declare there was no chemical attack, no chemical gases or otherwise detected. YASER ALDOUMANI2 knows where the site is, he was there at the crime scene. Forgive me if I missed something, but he knows much that should be investigated by the police in Syria.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgSqA77BxOMDXGfTOhKNAeQ/videos

  3. GJF says:

    Veteran Journalist Robert Fisk visited Douma and presents a curious report from the site of the attack.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    It’s important to be aware of two crucial facts:
    1. There are fundamental geopolitical changes taking place in the middle east. These changes are likely not what you think they are.The trap many people fall into is that they are viewing actions and reactions through the lens of what they understand of middle east history in their lifetime. Particularly in terms of the roles of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States.

    2. Modern warfare uses the concept of Full Spectrum Dominance. This involves many more dimensions than kinetic or shootem up boom warfare. Media and disinformation is a major platform of struggle in any confrontation. Syria will provide decades of research material on this subject alone. In fact, it would appear that in many regards the Syrian conflict had reached a point in late 2017 where the only actual fighting was staged actions for media.

    An independant researcher, with no credentials or insider knowledge, has been consistently providing a most extraordinary but plausible commentary on what is really happening. His premise is that Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States became so alarmed by the Obama Administration policies in the region, that they secretly aliied and have formed the Gulf Co-operation Council along with sympathetic muslim nations. Using the vast bankroll of the KSA and Gulf states, Israeli hi tech companies worked on a range of ‘future weapons’ designed to minimize civilian casualties and also damage to urban infrastructure. The results have been extremely mobile and miniature autonomous drones and drone swarms some of which contain small explosive charges to take out a single person, ordinance that can adjusted to regulate the explosive force and the direction it expands in, hyperspeed rocketry and more.

    The crucial point is this, without a clear knowledge of exactly who and what are in play in Syria, it is easy to get lost in the weeds.All players are pushing disinfo, for propaganda and to hide their actual moves (sometimes this is less sinister than it sounds).

    The researcher is Thomas Wictor his twitter is @ThomasWictor

    I wrote a summary piece on Steemit about this here
    https://steemit.com/story/@che-pup/tech-that-ends-war-and-violence

  4. Marko says:

    ( I just posted this to an earlier piece in error , thinking it was the most recent )

    Oddly missing from most discussions is the fact that NBC had reported on results of blood and urine specimens taken from victims that showed the presence of a “nerve agent”:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/u-s-has-blood-samples-show-nerve-agent-syria-gas-n865431

    ” The U.S. now has blood and urine samples from last Saturday’s deadly attack in Syria that have tested positive for chemical weapons, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence.
    …The samples suggested the presence of both chlorine gas and an unnamed nerve agent, two officials said….”

    Has there been any follow-up on this ? How did they determine that chlorine had been used by testing blood and urine ? Were these specimens examined by an OPCW lab ? Was the so-called “nerve agent” further characterized ? If a nerve agent was used , where’s the delivery vehicle ?

    It seems to me that examination of the corpses from this attack should be an immediate priority for the OPCW , to see if they can determine a cause of death and to see if evidence of nerve agent use is verified. If it turns out those specimens were spiked with something after collection , you’d have your smoking gun.

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